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Meister leaves AO Stratics but not game :(
« on: October 20, 2003, 07:02:04 pm »
https://forums.anarchy-online.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192397

grats Storm ... he gave us cred for him leaving AO Stratics.  :lol:

too bad he is still in gonna be in AO. anyone up for taking out his guild's bases? er wait ... nm ... his GM buddies might bail him out ingame and then cover it up ...

i blame Veev

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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2003, 07:05:40 pm »
Hah.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2003, 07:12:18 pm »
That is.... very good to see.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2003, 07:13:27 pm »
I dont like it..

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2003, 07:18:09 pm »
well justice has been done... cant say it better then that.
it could of ended diffrently if he wouldnt sell those nano's, so he can blaim only himself for this.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2003, 07:24:08 pm »
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well justice has been done... cant say it better then that.
it could of ended diffrently if he wouldnt sell those nano's, so he can blaim only himself for this.


well the thing is that justice hasn't been done. he still has recieved preferential treatment because he was not banned from the game itself.

as Theodore Roosevelt once said "we are not equal until all of us are equal"

i blame Veev

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2003, 07:28:11 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2003, 07:28:21 pm »
Meister leaving AO Stratics should be labeled Funcom's fault like it was labeled Funcom's fault for letting him get a sneak peek at Inferno, the items available there, and turning a blind eye as he purchased things.  Blaming Storm for his untimely retirement might heart-break some, but Storm didnt tell him to make Inferno nanos into a sales event on the Atlantean market-- in fact let's not forget some Stormers actually bought his items.  So pointing a finger at us isnt gonna get too much more out of me than an eye roll.  :roll:  I dont want any blame because he doesnt deserve any pity.

He left because it is good PR.  If its any consolation to him, grats for still being able to play AO, man.. that is quite astonishing. Kudos.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2003, 07:36:43 pm »
I have a feeling he left also because he feels he 'might' be banned sometime soon and this way he can ease himself out of the community without much commotion rather than have a big controversy once people learned the lead of AO stratics has been banned. I could be wrong, but that's the way it seems to me.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2003, 08:15:42 pm »
If they are going to take action, then shouldnt he get a ban? Others have been banned for much less, so it looks too much like favouritism to me. Especially now that FC admit he's been nawty.

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2003, 08:30:57 pm »
I mis-used items given to me on the live server and got the result for it. Funcom refused to work with me in the future as reporter on Stratics and wanted a new contact[/i]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssss!

And now... if he sploits.... he might actually get banned!

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2003, 09:02:59 pm »
Phew, hope I don't get flamed for this.

Meister.  Where to start?  He has been absolutly wonderful for AO Stratics.  Has always taken his job extremely seriously and has been really great for the site.  In fact, I dare say, that AO Stratics may be in trouble with his departure.

I do not know why he bought nanos from Inferno.  Perhaps he figured he was legitmate?  Perhaps he didn't realize the implications?  However having worked with him on the AO Stratics team for sometime now this doesn't strike me as something he would do with malicious intent.  Most likely the outline of his visit wasn't communicated effectively leading him to believe his actions were indeed OK.

Please keep in mind that everything is speculation and no one knows anything for absolute sure, except for those people directly involved.  

Oh, and one last thing.

Please, Stindy, do something to get yourself banned.  You're are about the biggest id10t I have ever seen cross the face of this earth.  Better yet, run out in front of a car and remove yourself from the gene pool.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2003, 09:12:06 pm »
I think they disabled my ao forum account just so i couldnt post on there  :twisted: , but in all seriousness FC had to do something as myself and im sure many others have been contacting FC about this issue , if he doesnt get banned then big deal , he lost the privelge to do reports to FC (Why would that come as a shock to anyone i dont know) . Meister has been the players tool to unleash our discust , and now he has become FCs tool to attempt to ease our anger .

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2003, 09:17:51 pm »
weird i tried posting there to and i cant......

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2003, 09:17:54 pm »
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Phew, hope I don't get flamed for this.

Meister.  Where to start?  He has been absolutly wonderful for AO Stratics.  Has always taken his job extremely seriously and has been really great for the site.  In fact, I dare say, that AO Stratics may be in trouble with his departure.

I do not know why he bought nanos from Inferno.  Perhaps he figured he was legitmate?  Perhaps he didn't realize the implications?  However having worked with him on the AO Stratics team for sometime now this doesn't strike me as something he would do with malicious intent.  Most likely the outline of his visit wasn't communicated effectively leading him to believe his actions were indeed OK.


Sorry, I havent really been an avid follower of Meister's work on AO Stratics...  I dont mean to be such a bitch towards him and his situation but just because he feels bad or had the best of intentions means nothing to me.  Why?  Because people get banned with no mercy even for doing things they felt bad about doing afterwards or things they didnt even know were wrong (eventhough they might have suspected as such)... and some people get banned for doing little to nothing.  Not a flame, but some of us feel that if FC is gonna be ruthless with their policies NO ONE should be exempt from them.

Yes, Fatsie, I agree Meister is a tool. o.O
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2003, 09:18:53 pm »
Well. Im not flaming. Im sure he did a great job, but with other people getting banned for less, he sure deserves to be banned like everyone else.

Unless funcom want's to check their rutines on banning people? They might realize that banning leads to a lot of greifing and lots of people leaving.

They might wanna do it some other way.


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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2003, 09:21:50 pm »
Meister got what he deserved... come on you buy nano's that arent available for others and you sell them on the ao auction forum, every child knows that it isnt allowed...
Meister was punished good... he lost all his respect that he recived from fc and he lost the respect from alot of players, thats a big punishment.



and what i wrote here is not related in any way to what he done in stratics.

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2003, 09:23:31 pm »
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Because people get banned with no mercy even for doing things they felt bad about doing afterwards or things they didnt even know were wrong (eventhough they might have suspected as such)... and some people get banned for doing little to nothing.  


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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2003, 09:29:16 pm »
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Phew, hope I don't get flamed for this.

Meister.  Where to start?  He has been absolutly wonderful for AO Stratics.  Has always taken his job extremely seriously and has been really great for the site.  In fact, I dare say, that AO Stratics may be in trouble with his departure.

I do not know why he bought nanos from Inferno.  Perhaps he figured he was legitmate?  Perhaps he didn't realize the implications?  However having worked with him on the AO Stratics team for sometime now this doesn't strike me as something he would do with malicious intent.  Most likely the outline of his visit wasn't communicated effectively leading him to believe his actions were indeed OK.

Please keep in mind that everything is speculation and no one knows anything for absolute sure, except for those people directly involved.  

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This post is typical of today's society. People love to look for a 'reason' or an 'excuse.' What ever happened to taking responsibility? Guess it went out of fashion some time around 2500 B.C.

Meister himself tries to act like the wounded savior who's been brought down by the evil Storm forces. He doesn't state what he actually did, and uses lawyer aka pigeonshit language to allow his fanboys and fangirls to think of him as a poor maligned individual.

What's not up for speculation is that he did sell nanos that no player has access to. I suppose we could speculate on whether he was abducted by aliens and replaced with an evil clone or not, but you're right. Speculation doesn't mean anything. Just the one fact is enough to have him banned for life.

I don't say that out of any real malice btw. But when someone who is as public of a figure as Meister is not banned for something that normal players would be banned for in the blink of an eye, it merely adds another pile of horseshit to the already massive pile that is taken down the throats of the AO (power gamer) community which has had to watch time after time friends being banned for similar and much lesser offenses.

This is just an example of Funcom's policies. Or lack of a coherent one really.

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2003, 09:31:17 pm »
There's absolutely no reason why Meister should have left Stratics. Im sure he is competent at whatever he did there. This doesnt solve anything, FC is the one that should do something about it, not Stratics.
I think most people are more annoyed by the fact that Meister didnt get banned because others have been for less, than because it's Meister we are talking about. Sure, hae has become an icon of this whole situation and therefore people will flame him. That cant be helped, but if you stop and think about it FC is to blame way more than Meister is.

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2003, 09:46:13 pm »
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This post is typical of today's society. People love to look for a 'reason' or an 'excuse.' What ever happened to taking responsibility? Guess it went out of fashion some time around 2500 B.C.


Has nothing to do with not taking responsiblity.  Persnoal responsiblity is paramount to any sucessful society.  And Meister did take responsibility by stepping down as the Program Directory for AO Stratics.  As far as the banning is concerned that's between FC and Meister and not for any other player to decide.

As far as looking for an "excuse" or a "reason"?  Don't you believe in mitagating circumstances?  I'm sorry there, friend, but life isn't black and white.  

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2003, 09:51:40 pm »
Justice nor action has been served by Funcom, yet, only by Meister himself, self-induced penalty. Funcom has yet to do anything officially about a very official and obvious matter.

Either way, banning and/or supension is meant in most cases to be something to learn from, not neccesarily to punish, but as a final warning /sign and/or chance for somene to realize their actions and/or conduct and take that into consideration.

In my opinion, this is one of those cases, Meister needs to take that into consideration, and get a suspension for some time, to come back with new understanding of how things work, what is and what is not acceptable in the game, at any level and/or position.

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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2003, 10:19:53 pm »
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As far as looking for an "excuse" or a "reason"?  Don't you believe in mitagating circumstances?  I'm sorry there, friend, but life isn't black and white.  

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I think you misunderstand. Taking this incident on an individual basis, I could honestly care less what Meister did. Sure, I have my personal opinions about him, but I don't have any deep-seeded need to wail about them, or any belief that they have anything to do with this issue. It's the big picture that is at the root of most people's negativity towards this affair.

And in case you continously missed it, the bigger picture is that many feel that had he been just a player, and not someone who represented a group in commercial matrimony with Funcom, he would have been banned. This is a very sore subject for many 'power' gamers, as I'd say that community has seen a large number of friends, who just so didn't happen to run a website which earns money through ads and a friendly relationship with Funcom through which players are funneled to by the lure of the official Funcom stamp in official Funcom media, banned for absolutely silly and mundane reasons that did not even reach the tepid level of bringing any in-game profit to them.

It reeks of favoritism. I could talk about Amona. I could go in to the mentality held by this community that Anarchy Online started as a game that attracted players like us by shooting for a higher standard in gaming, and taking the commercial risk of breaking from the Everquest model, and then slowly succumbing to the pressures of economics as it has reversed itself and become a pretty Everquest clone.

What I'm trying to say is that the negativity you see isn't, fair or not, based just off this incident. This is just another timber feeding the already existing flames of disgruntlement. Many many things over the last two years has culminated in a large portion of the 'power' gamer playerbase (older, not newer as the younger players approached the game from a more EQ stance) to seem so hateful and crabby.

This latest incident merely cements what was expressed in that other thread that takes several hours with pee breaks to read: Funcom does not understand how to write policies that are conducive to a good community while maintaining a low exploit-harassment enviornment. Instead, they act like a group of teen-agers who just 'wing it' because it's worked in the past.

If you'd like to debate about white and black, I'd be more then happy to. :) After all, even shades (plural denoting multiple) of grey have a breaking and starting point between each other resulting in a difference between two 'colors', which is basically all black and white really is. :)

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2003, 11:00:16 pm »
Meister was put into a playfield no-other player could reach at that time, he used the oppertunity to buy itmes NO other player could get, then proceeded to sell them publicly and at a proffit.

result, no FC ban.

Well we all knew that was horse hit ladies and gents.

And the plee of ignorance?

FUCK OFF!

"I didn't know I shouldn't" BS

"I didn't know it was wrong to eat all the cookies.... this time" again BS

"I promise I won't cum in your mouth" yeah yeah yeah

"It was like that when I got here" ffs

No matter if Meister was the Stratics god of websites, he would still be a blatent sploiter and he knows it, the only thing that I think about is how much eles he got away with before he got cocky and did this???. Lets think about it, how far down the road of getting favours, and getting away with it would any of us have to be before doing something that is so blatent? "Humm I think I can get away with selling items that only I or a GM can have at this time?" really think about it, if Meister  isn't stupid, then he knew pricesley what he was doing, making a proffit out of a advantage that FC gave him.

I really couldn't give a toss how great anyone thinks stratics is with all it's pop ups, that doesn't change a single fact about what happened, Meister clearly sploited and kept his account.

And that ladies and gents is why people are pissed off.



BAN Meister!
Or re-activate the accounts that did far less and got banned anyway.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2003, 11:06:31 pm »
totally agree cal if he can do this and not get bannd i say WTF all the people that did far less things and got band is total BS
to bad we wont have as many dumb things he wrote to laugh about tho
but atleast FC took some type of punishment for what he did
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