Author Topic: "Ninjaing" non-nodrop items is allowed by FC. (Read 1671 times)

Elisabeth · « **on:** May 17, 2004, 01:50:50 am »

After we had gotten Azure boots ninjaed from a merc corpse by "Damismall", a 180 agent, we petitioned to have a GM look into it. When we have been ninjaed in the past, a GM has always resolved the issue with deleting the item, and given the ninja a warning.

However in this case the ARK said that the ninjaing policy only applies to nodrop items. So he wouldn't even let us talk to a GM, only told us to email support and ask for a change in policy.

I just wanted to inform you all, that "stealing" items from a corpse (that you didn't kill) isn't stealing after all, if the items are tradable. Isn't that great for Beast raids with lots of tradable loot?

Or maybe FC needs to think a bit further than the 1 min (or something) limit a team has to take loot before it becomes free for all? After all, the raids with the best loot are done with more than just one team.

Joliie · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2004, 01:58:19 am »

Hu... that sucks!!!

Thats real sad, I hope the ARK was wrong...

s0ety · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:07:33 am »

stewpid

Gaijin2 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:18:43 am »

Quote from: Elisabeth

After we had gotten Azure boots ninjaed from a merc corpse by "Damismall", a 180 agent, we petitioned to have a GM look into it. When we have been ninjaed in the past, a GM has always resolved the issue with deleting the item, and given the ninja a warning.

However in this case the ARK said that the ninjaing policy only applies to nodrop items. So he wouldn't even let us talk to a GM, only told us to email support and ask for a change in policy.

I just wanted to inform you all, that "stealing" items from a corpse (that you didn't kill) isn?t stealing after all, if the items are tradable. Isn?t that great for Beast raids with lots of tradable loot?

Or maybe FC needs to think a bit further than the 1 min (or something) limit a team has to take loot before it becomes free for all? After all, the raids with the best loot are done with more than just one team.

question.. what loot from beast is NON-nodrop. I dont' see any in the database. if you are speaking of glyphs those are tradable but aren't as difficult to get than pande armor and stars and the lord weapons all of which are NODROP. I sympathize with you and agree with you that if someone ninja's ANY item from a difficult mob should be repremanded. FC needs an upgrade on some of these inane rules.

Lejon · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:19:17 am »

No, the ARK isn't wrong. I rememebr it as Nodrop only items, and the looter is supposed to not be in the team that got loot rights, as in the loot timer expires... that is according to my memory, ofc.

Sucks, but I guess they have a wee point. :/

Elisabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2004, 02:32:58 am »

Oh, I tought Pande armor was tradeable lol

Its so ugly I havent really looked at the stats or anything. Another thing FC should fix, ugly armor!

Dynizmo · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:14:56 am »

Who cares if its tradable or not, its theft either way and FC should fix this!

Sparegris · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:06:21 am »

im guessing Damismall is smiling happily now bragging about it to some friends.'

FC's policies have to be remade in the paying subscribers eyes. But in their eyes they are covered in any ways and any flaws made is the players fault. Its a shame tho , i saw it all happen

Jokque · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:08:18 am »

Please read this thread, its quite old (december 2003) and has FC's official stance on what is concidered ninja-looting and what is allowed
Theres quite alot of posts, just scroll down until you see Meesoon's post;

Quote from: meesoon

As it stands right now, there is no difference between pocket bosses and any other mob. The team that does the most damage wins loot rights. There is no such thing as kill stealing. Will the policy change in regards to pocket bosses? It may, but the word now is it's treated like any other mob.

EDIT : i just realised that thread was about killstealing (ie FCs stance is that theres no such thing), ill try to find the thread about ninjaloot = only nodrop items

Jokque · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:13:09 am »

Ninja-Looting Definition and Policy

Ninja-Looting Definition

Items looted while in a team situation will never be considered "Ninja-Looted". As a killing team member (the team doing the most damage therefore having loot rights) you have as much a right to an item as anyone in your team. Team leaders are able to change loot order and are responsible for that loot order.

Only no-drop items will be considered when discussing ninja-looting. Items that are tradable can easily be looted by the leader of a team and traded to the proper individual. The killing team does have rights to the looted item. Again, team leaders are responsible for this action.

Looting of a no-drop item outside the killing team while the killing team is discussing the distribution of the item will be considered ninja-looting.

Found here

frakk · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:18:00 am »

They have already fixed this in other games, with RAID loot and so on. This should have been done to AO waaay back.

Bantram · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:34:21 am »

when they came out with their anti-ninjalooting policy i remember htem stating clearly that this did not go into effect for non-nodrop stuff.

It sucks that it happened and it sucks that there isn't something that hasn't been done yet, but i wasn't surprised that nothing happened.

caloss2 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2004, 04:42:20 am »

To compound the issue, the Otac spawned again some 20 mins later, so storm went back to kill again.

The exact same guy DAMISMALL turned up in a very small yalm sat in IAN's corpse and ninjahed an AZ chest, then he bragged about deleting it, thus making what he had done into a "none-offence" action

Strange thing to be proud of I thought.

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Jokque · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2004, 05:27:16 am »

I sure hope you petitioned that, not for the ninjalooting but for the fact that he is griefing etc, you have the logs to prove it in that case (new chat menu logs everything i think)

Reinioma · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:28:27 am »

Quote from: Jokque

Ninja-Looting Definition and Policy

Ninja-Looting Definition

Items looted while in a team situation will never be considered "Ninja-Looted". As a killing team member (the team doing the most damage therefore having loot rights) you have as much a right to an item as anyone in your team. Team leaders are able to change loot order and are responsible for that loot order.

Only no-drop items will be considered when discussing ninja-looting. Items that are tradable can easily be looted by the leader of a team and traded to the proper individual. The killing team does have rights to the looted item. Again, team leaders are responsible for this action.

Looting of a no-drop item outside the killing team while the killing team is discussing the distribution of the item will be considered ninja-looting.

Found here

hmm .. that is totally making no sense at all. Even ancient game like EQ prohibited ninja looting -- no matter whether that is no drop or tradeable loot.

Stealing an item which cannot be sold equals to ninja loot, but stealing an item which can be sold is considered as not ninja looting .. omg what the hell is that logic !! It is stealing ! And thief should be punished !!

LordBrando · « **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:56:31 am »

anyone wanna go camp merc raids and ninja non nodrop items with meh..... heh funcom sucks

Hajkster · « **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2004, 07:23:09 am »

first off i just wanted to say that im sorry you got ninjad in that way, and thanks for keeping the heads up for a bad person. And also telling you it sucks...

With that said i also would like to say.. always loot items that isnt nodrop as fast as possible in big raids, if they are unique have someone else in the team loot it (team leader loot sucks btw). I can understand to some degree even if i dont agree with why FC doesnt see it as Ninja:ing. Its more some kind of harrasment then. Dont let none no-drops be on a corpse (even if your holding it) long enough for the body to get lootable by all. (assuming it aint bugged)

Fatcrusher · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:11:44 am »

yea ninjaing is lame, what i dont understand though is how a pair of azure boots were ninjad. Surely if there were any potential ninjas hovering over the body the loot holder would just trade there boots to someone without em. ?

teh sidekick · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:27:39 am »

Quote from: Fatcrusher

what i dont understand though is how a pair of azure boots were ninjad. Surely if there were any potential ninjas hovering over the body the loot holder would just trade there boots to someone without em. ?

No excuse for boots getting ninja'd other than a poor raid officer. Who runs these raids now? Use your head. Was nobodys fault but your own that boots, non-nodrop, were ninja'd. Designate someone to grab them in the damage team. Preferably a tank without, or insert someone without.

As far as this individual ninja'ing the azure chest, he should have been handled on that... even if he deleted it. That unfortunately is out of your hands, and worth bitching about.

Elisabeth · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:29:58 am »

The agent was hard to detect Fat, he was sneaking and was clan too, so we couldnt tab him. When he looted he was standing inside the corpse, and as an agent he was ofcource very tiny

The team who got the loot already had people with Azure boots, and we were alone at the time and didnt expect any "ninjas". Anyway, it shouldnt even be possible to ninja items that easy, and surely stealing is stealing wether you can trade the item or not? The policy makes no sense when it only applies to non-nodrop items.

teh sidekick · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2004, 08:37:09 am »

Quote from: Elisabeth

The team who got the loot already had people with Azure boots, and we were alone at the time and didnt expect any "ninjas". Anyway, it shouldnt even be possible to ninja items that easy, and surely stealing is stealing wether you can trade the item or not? The policy makes no sense when it only applies to non-nodrop items.

Some suggestions.
1: Always expect ninjas.
2: From now on insert those without boots, or tanks, into the damage team.
3: Always predetermine who gets what. Handle distribution quickly. Longer it takes, bigger the opportunity for ninjas.

Nobody was to blame for the boots except the raid leaders... sorry.

Nalika · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2004, 09:28:21 am »

Quote from: teh sidekick

No excuse for boots getting ninja'd other than a poor raid officer. Who runs these raids now? Use your head. Was nobodys fault but your own that boots, non-nodrop, were ninja'd. Designate someone to grab them in the damage team. Preferably a tank without, or insert someone without.

got a point here. you really should loot all non-nodrops on the spot, and sort them out later.

Addice · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2004, 10:08:20 am »

the thing is this. most people in the KT and the tank team has Az boots, so why is it our fault for not being able to loot them. as a company FC should protect us cutomers i mean that is jusy ridiculous. at least in some games these items go directly to people and other games you can PK the ninja looter on the spot.

this is a poor showing bu FCm but then again this is why many of us left this game. gl to you all in the future and i hope shit like this doesn;t happen often.

cheers,
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Morelian · « **Reply #23 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:53:59 pm »

That has gotta be pretty rare occurance though, the KT all having boots so nobody can loot.

Is that agent in a guild?

Shit happens like that, and at the end of the day it is just pixels.

But thanks for you guys pointing that out. Too many people in the game get their phats off the work of others.

Dynizmo · « **Reply #24 on:** May 18, 2004, 04:15:11 pm »

Quote from: Morelian

That has gotta be pretty rare occurance though, the KT all having boots so nobody can loot.

Is that agent in a guild?

Actually that same problem happened yesterday, everyone had boots in KT and by some twist of fate the corpse poofed within a few minutes, so we lost another set that way. And no, the agent isn't in a guild, I doubt he would ever get into a decent one, or at least one with moral standards.